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Technology has always played a role in global affairs, encouraging trade, cooperation, and competition among nations. Today\u2019s tech giants, however, are not just influential bystanders in the international arena. They have become peers to global political powers, sometimes going toe-to-toe with state actors. Digital technology, software engineering, and big data companies often find themselves as the gatekeepers of crucial national security information and technology.

How can the U.S. government best cooperate with tech giants to achieve national security aims and stymie adversaries like China? What strategies have state actors like the U.S., China, and Europe employed to grapple with the rise of big tech? Klon Kitchen joins Adam to consider these themes and discuss his recent essay, \u201cThe New Superpowers: How and Why the Tech Industry is Shaping the International System\u201d featured in National Affairs\u2019 special issue, \u201cBig Tech, Big Government: The Challenges of Regulating Internet Platforms.\u201d Klon is the Director for the Heritage Foundation\u2019s Center for Technology Policy. His newsletter, the Kitchen Sync, offers regular updates technology and global affairs.