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Today on the flagship podcast of sustainable supply chain economics:\xa0\n03:27 - CEO of Nothing Carl Pei sits down with The Verge\u2019s David Pierce to discuss the new Phone 2, Carl\u2019s vision for the company, his thoughts on AI, foldables, VR, and much more.\n\n\nNothing Phone 2 review: the vibes abide\xa0\n\n\nNothing CEO Carl Pei on the Phone 2, AI, and the future of gadgets (video version of interview here)\n\n\n50:02 - Later, Vergecast producers Andru Marino and Liam James debate with David the best and worst TV remotes, and what makes a good remote design.\xa0Watch the YouTube version to see all the remotes we talk about. \n\n\n3 Kinds of Simplicity :: UXmatters\xa0\xa0\n\nPhilips Design - Simplifying TV remote (UX Case Study)\n\n\n1:25:19 - Keep listening for the Vergecast Hotline question of the week.\xa0\n\nEmail us at vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11, we love hearing from you.\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices