On this week\u2019 interview episode of The Vergecast, editor-in-chief of The Verge Nilay Patel sits down with New York Times reporter Mike Isaac. Isaac has been reporting on the ride-sharing company Uber for over five years now and just released a book all about Uber and the stories surrounding it called Super Pumped: The Battle for Uber. \xa0\nNilay and Mike talk about how Uber got to where it is today, Uber\u2019s interactions with companies like Apple and Google, and whether or not you have to be a \u201cjerk\u201d to start a company that changes the world.\xa0\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices