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In this crossover episode with the Coronavirus Crisis Update podcast, Andrew and Steve are joined by John Barry, historian and author of the award-winning The Great Influenza; the Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History, a study of the 1918 pandemic. He is currently working on a volume on Covid-19: \u201cWriting books makes me happiest and craziest.\u201d He has penned many editorials over the course of the pandemic, drawing lessons from 1918. What has he discovered? \u201cWhat we learn from history is we learn nothing.\u201d Where are we today? \u201cUntil vaccines are widely distributed and there is easy access to antivirals, the virus will rule. \u2026 I am optimistic the virus will continue trending to mildness\u201d but there may be intermediate steps. \u201cMutations are random.\u201d \u201cWe are at a potentially dangerous time\u201d if we throw away our defenses and become indifferent or complacent. His high school football coach taught him a lesson for today: late in the game, you are tired and the other guy is tired. \u201cThe guy who focuses at the end will win.\u201d That does not mean you \u201clive in a box\u201d and isolate yourself. Aaron Rodgers, while a great football player, \u201clied\u201d about his vaccination status. He \u201cis a total jackass.\u201d\nBefore becoming a writer, John Barry coached football at the high-school, small college, and major college levels. He is a Distinguished Professor at Tulane University\u2019s Bywater Institute and a professor at the Tulane School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine.