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Thomas Fisher is a Professor in the School of Architecture at the University of Minnesota,\xa0and serves as Director of the\xa0Metropolitan Design Center. He's a graduate of Cornell University in architecture and the author of several books including\xa0Designing to Avoid Disaster\xa0and\xa0Designing our Way to a Better World.\xa0In this conversation with Chuck Marohn, Professor Fisher discusses a design-thinking approach of bottom-up vs. top-down decisionmaking, and the danger of building the wrong types of infrastructure for the future of America.\nThis interview is part of our\xa0ongoing conversation on federal infrastructure spending.