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So many times we get asked how can you become a professional social engineer.\\xa0 This month we talk to two amazing women who were never in the industry, took a huge risk and it paid off.\\xa0 Join us in this fascinating conversation with Whitney Maxwell and Rachel Tobac.

These two wonderful personify doing things ethically, honestly and with empathy.\\xa0 They are an amazing example to our community and we had a great opportunity to talk about:

• How did you get into the SECTF?
• How did winning change your life?
• Did you get into SE because of it?
• Does Whitney really have relatives with everyone\'s name?
• Why is Rachel so scary?
• So much more.....

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Whitney Maxwell can be found on Twitter at https://twitter.com/whitneynmaxwell/ and her book recommendations are:

• The Harry Potter Series
• The Midnight Line - A Jack Reacher Novel
• Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking When Stakes are High by McGraw-Hill Education
• Smart Women Finish Rich by David Bach
• Everything That Rises Must Converge: Stories (FSG Classics) Paperback \\u2013 by Flannery O\'Connor

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Rachel Tobac can be found on Twitter at https://twitter.com/racheltobac and her book recommendations are:

• Influence by Robert Cialdini
• Bossy Pants by Tina Fey
• As well as recommending two other podcasts: Masters of Scale by Reed Hoffman &
  How I Built This - Guy Raz