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Rich Roll has had a varied career, starting with being an entertainment lawyer, an ultra-endurance athlete and now a podcaster and author. He previously suffered from alcoholism, but after a revelatory moment he was able to stop drinking. After that, he threw himself into his career as a lawyer, and another revelation caused him to change his workaholic ways to run the Ultraman race in Hawaii, and the Epic 5, which is 5 Ironmans in a week. Inspired by David Goggins, the former Navy SEAL, he became an ultra-endurance athlete and at the same time, became a vegan. Commander Divine and Rich talk about the psychology and spirituality of endurance and the value of following a plant-based diet.