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Before recently winning the NCAA women\u2019s 500-yard freestyle swimming championship, Lia Thomas competed in the sport as a man. Should that matter? David French talks with Skye Jethani about the complexities of transgender rights, and why we need a more nuanced understanding of what \u201cequal protection\u201d means in the law. Then, French says the real divisions in our culture and politics aren\u2019t primarily between Republicans and Democrats, or between conservatives and progressives, but between a traditional understanding of liberalism and the dangers of illiberalism.

0:00 - Intro
0:48 - Trans athletes
\u201cWhat Do We Do When People Are Equal, But Not Alike?\u201d (David French article) - https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/what-do-we-do-when-people-are-equal?s=r

34:28 - Liberalism and illiberalism
1:02:45 - EndHoly Post Patreon (now with book club!) -\xa0patreon.com/holypost