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Charlie kicks off the show by introducing Mike\u2019s background and a bit about ConsenSys\u2019 background. Mike dives into what he is most excited about in the incubator right now. Charlie and Mike discuss the word \u201ctoken\u201d in crypto and why it needs to change. Charlie and Mike talk about Gitcoin and taking possession of what we put out into the digital world. Mike discusses the different types of DAOs and Charlie ideates on real-world use cases for DAO technology. Mike and Charlie talk about Rug Radio and podcasting and how to empower listeners to contribute. The conversation turns to building out the infrastructure not just for crypto\u2019s sake, but for everyone else that will use blockchain in the future. Mike discusses the potential of the industry and empowering individuals and creators. Mike provides his view on money crypto versus tech crypto and the public sentiment surrounding both. Charlie and Mike compare managing a media company to working within the blockchain space.\xa0Follow Mike at @mkriak on Twitter.