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Government ministers have been blowing hot and cold about vaccine passports. Now the Westminster government says it is not planning to introduce them to England, though they're being kept as an option should things change. The Welsh government is thinking about them, while Northern Ireland has rejected them for now. In Scotland vaccine passports are coming in on October 1st for nightclubs and large venues. But booster jabs are coming across the UK. The roll-out for over-50s, frontline health workers and vulnerable groups will begin in days.

Joining David Aaronovitch to ask if we need vaccine passports and boosters are:

Laure Millet, head of the healthcare policy programme at the Institut Montaigne in Paris\nMelinda Mills, Professor of Demography at the University of Oxford and Director of the Leverhulme Centre for Demographic Science \nAzra Ghani, Professor of Infectious Disease Epidemiology, Imperial College London\nNatasha Loder, Health Policy Editor at The Economist

Producers: John Murphy, Kirsteen Knight, Soila Apparicio\nEditor: Jasper Corbett