Mike Essl, Dean at Cooper Union School of Art in New York, is Jeffrey Zeldman\u2019s guest.
\n\nTopics: The designer as hobbyist. \u201cI was an expert witness for the Associated Press.\u201d Design is a machine. Working in a comic book store. The Cooper Union coincidences. Web design in 1995 versus today. New York design versus San Francisco design. Systems making versus picture making. Kind of Bloop.
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