You struggle with being productive. So you decide you need to establish a routine for yourself. You get real gung-ho about this routine \u2014 this is going to be the thing that changes everything! But then you fail to stick to it. So you flagellate yourself for that failure and decide what you need is a different routine. But then you don\u2019t stick with that routine either. The cycle then repeats itself, leaving you no more productive than you were at the start.\n\nMy guest, Madeleine Dore, found herself stuck in this cycle. So she decided to start interviewing successful creative types to get their secrets to an optimal routine. Yet these folks would confide to her a different secret: they actually didn\u2019t have a routine either.