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Humans like starting new things much more than taking care of older things. This is true on both an institutional and individual\xa0level: it's more exciting to build a new road than to maintain it; more exciting to\xa0lose weight than to keep it off. There's plenty of short-term pleasure\xa0and intrinsic motivation when it comes to pursuing something novel, but the effort to keep up unsexy maintenance on what we've already got takes real intent.\xa0\n\nMy guest today says we've lost that intent and need to revive it. His name is Lee Vinsel and he's a professor\xa0of science, technology, and society, the co-founder of\xa0The Maintainers, a research network dedicated to the study of maintenance, repair, upkeep, and ordinary work, and the\xa0co-author of The Innovation\xa0Delusion: How Our Obsession\xa0With the New Has Disrupted the Work That Matters Most. Lee and I begin our conversation with how our cultural focus on innovation has come at the expense of attention paid to maintenance and repair, and yet how talking\xa0more about innovation hasn't really led to greater progress. We then get into the\xa0way the necessity\xa0of maintenance, repair, and caretaking has been neglected in business and government, creating a situation where we keep on building new things without investing in the upkeep of our current infrastructure. From there we turn to the way our all too common neglect of maintenance applies not only to big institutions, but also our personal lives, as in the areas of home ownership and health. We discuss how there's\xa0less incentive these days to repair things in our disposable society where everything is cheap, and stuff is harder to fix, even when we want to. We end our conversation with how we can revive a maintenance mindset in our culture and individual lives.\xa0\n\nGet the show notes at aom.is/maintenance.