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\u201cPractices and principles are necessary and useful, but they should be informed by what the constraints are in the first place. We need to acknowledge the constraints, and then build and decide on practices and principles based on that."

Manuel Pais is the co-author of \u201cTeam Topologies\u201d and a DevOps thought leader, focusing on team interactions, delivery practices, and accelerating flow. In this episode, Manuel shared great insights from his book \u201cTeam Topologies\u201d, starting from highlighting some constraints that organizations typically face, such as Conway\u2019s Law and cognitive load. Manuel then explained the 4 fundamental team topologies and how they are addressing those constraints. Manuel also shared about the Team API concept as well the 3 core interaction modes, which inform how teams should interact with each other in order to improve the overall flow within the business. Finally, Manuel shared some advice on how leaders can start implementing these ideas within their organizations.

Listen out for:

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• Career Journey - [00:04:47]
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• Team Topologies - [00:07:00]
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• Challenges with Organization Chart - [00:08:58]
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• Measuring Flow - [00:11:54]
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• Conway\u2019s Law - [00:14:57]
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• How to Use Conway\u2019s Law - [00:18:10]
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• Breaking Monolith into Microservices - [00:21:15]
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• Cognitive Load - [00:23:57]
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• 4 Fundamental Team Topologies - [00:27:33]
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• Team API - [00:34:55]
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• 3 Interaction Modes - [00:37:57]
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• Advice to Align with Team Topologies - [00:42:41]
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• 3 Tech Lead Wisdom - [00:48:13]
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Manuel Pais\u2019s Bio
\nManuel Pais is the co-author of \u201cTeam Topologies: organizing business and technology teams for fast flow\u201d. Recognized by TechBeacon as a DevOps thought leader, Manuel is an independent IT organizational consultant and trainer, focused on team interactions, delivery practices and accelerating flow. Manuel is also a LinkedIn instructor on Continuous Delivery.

Follow Manuel:

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• Twitter \u2013 https://twitter.com/manupaisable
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• LinkedIn \u2013 https://www.linkedin.com/in/manuelpais/
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• Team Topologies \u2013 https://teamtopologies.com/
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• Team Topologies Academy \u2013 https://academy.teamtopologies.com/
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