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Today is part 2 of this conversation. In this episode, I sit down with Mike Mayer to discuss his specialty (environmental education) and to learn more about the environmental program that inspires what he, Bill, and Lars do at EID.\n\nWe begin this episode by learning more about the Institute for Earth Education. Some of this may sound familiar because I included a short segment in Part 1. Don\u2019t let this distract you because you\u2019ll hear something a bit different before Mike walks us through an example of the type of programming offered by the Institute.\n\nIn this conversation, Mike and I also discuss creating holistic experiences in free-choice settings, the AMORE framework developed by Steve Van Mater, interpreting global topics across cultures, and what might change the status quo in environmental education.