How can church leaders and pastors care for others while also caring for themselves? Join Bill & Kristi this week as they\u2019re interviewed by Rich Birch, host of the unSeminary podcast. Often church leaders are busy caring for their congregations, but may neglect the refreshment of their own souls. When this happens for extended seasons, the result can be burnout, disappointment, and confusion. Unpacking the CHRIST stages and wisdom from their book, \u201cJourney of the Soul\u201d, Bill & Kristi encourage you to experience more of God\u2019s invitational grace in the midst of whatever challenge or season you find yourself in.