Travis Kimmel and Kevin Goldsmith discuss the correspondence between organizational design and software architecture. Their conversation covers: what Conway\u2019s Law is; Kevin\u2019s experiences in different organizational structures (e.g., Avvo, Spotify, Adobe, and Microsoft) and how those structures influenced the software architecture; what the \u201cReverse Conway Maneuver\u201d is and how organizations can leverage it; how organizations can evolve existing architectures.