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John Lisle, a historian of science and the American intelligence community and author of The Dirty Tricks Department, joins the show to talk about the World War Two-era Office of Strategic Services and its Research and Development Branch.\n\u25aa\ufe0f\nTimes\xa0\n\u2022\t01:44 Introduction\xa0\n\u2022\t02:10 \u201cWild Bill\u201d Donovan\n\u2022\t05:54 Donovan\u2019s style\xa0\n\u2022\t08:53 Stanley Lovell\n\u2022\t12:35 An unconventional training process\n\u2022\t16:40 Explosive pancake batter\n\u2022\t19:24 Limpet mines and Java Man\n\u2022\t23:33 A meaningful legacy?\n\u2022\t27:34 Target: Werner Heisenberg\n\u2022\t31:51 WMDs\xa0\n\u2022\t35:40 Truth Serum\n\u2022\t39:02 From OSS to CIA\n\nFollow along on Instagram