Philip Taubman, lecturer at Stanford University's Center for International Security and Cooperation and author of In The Nation's Service: The Life and Times of George P. Shultz, joins the show to discuss the legacy of American statesmen George P. Shultz.\n\u25aa\ufe0f\nTimes\xa0\n\t\u2022\t01:52 Introduction\n\t\u2022\t02:14 First encounters with Schultz\n\t\u2022\t06:44 An old-fashioned patriot\xa0\n\t\u2022\t10:10 Secretary of State\xa0\n\t\u2022\t15:38 Different approaches to defeating Communism\xa0\n\t\u2022\t20:00 Two sides to Reagan\xa0\n\t\u2022\t26:44 Hawks\n\t\u2022\t31:05 Schultz, Clark, and Dobrynin\n\t\u2022\t33:35 Arms control\xa0\n\t\u2022\t38:24 The end of the Cold War\n\t\u2022\t41:55 Tension as a tool