Bruce Jones, director of the Project on International Order and Strategy of the Foreign Policy program at the Brookings Institution, joins the show to discuss seapower.\xa0\n\nTimes\n\n00:51 - Introduction\xa0\n\n01:17 - The importance of seapower today\n\n06:45 - Innovation of container shipping and how that changed the global economy\xa0\n\n12:50 - China re-enters the seas\xa0\n\n16:54 - China\u2019s security challenges at sea\n\n22:44 - Shallow seas, narrow passages, and massive ships\xa0\n\n24:06 - China\u2019s strategic interest in Taiwan \xa0\n\n26:10 - China\u2019s alienation of potential allies \xa0\n\n29:08 - American strategic view of the Pacific Ocean\n\n34:41 - Relations between the United States and India, specifically in terms of taking on China\xa0\n\n39:12 - Seapower theorist Alfred Thayer Mahan\n\n44:55 - Comparing America\u2019s quest for power at sea during the 20th century and China\u2019s return to the sea today\xa0\n\n48:48 - The role of oceanography in nation-state power competition