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In this podcast Tom Uren and Patrick Gray talk about the structure of the spyware ecosystem. It\u2019s concentrated, with lots of vendors in India, Israel and Italy. And its a small pool of talent, with many companies being founded by just a few individuals.\n\nThey also talk about the US government\u2019s actions against Russia\u2019s disinformation ecosystem. The US very clearly linked different \u2018layers\u2019 of that ecosystem directly to the Russian government. Employing influencers via cutouts also shows how Russian disinformation has responded as social media platforms have countered interference efforts.\n\nThis episode is also available on Youtube.