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In this week\u2019s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks about the clean energy transition with Emily Grubert, an associate professor of sustainable energy policy at the University of Notre Dame. Grubert discusses challenges associated with the \u201cmid-transition,\u201d a period of the clean energy transition when both fossil fuels and clean energy infrastructure may be necessary. Grubert and Raimi examine the investments, policies, and communication strategies that could help maintain a reliable and affordable energy system during the tricky mid-transition period.\n\nReferences and recommendations:\n\n\u201cDesigning the mid-transition: A review of medium-term challenges for coordinated decarbonization in the United States\u201d by Emily Grubert and Sara Hastings-Simon; https://wires.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/wcc.768\n\n\u201cHeat Wave: A Social Autopsy of Disaster in Chicago\u201d by Eric Klinenberg; https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/H/bo20809880.html