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In this week\u2019s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with Kelsey Jack, associate professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara; director of the Poverty Alleviation Group at UC Santa Barbara\u2019s Environmental Market Solutions Lab; and codirector of the King Climate Action Initiative at the Poverty Action Lab at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Jack works at the intersection of environmental economics and international development, studying how environmental issues shape economic development\u2014and vice versa\u2014in developing nations. She discusses some of the experiments she\u2019s done on electricity payments and ecosystem service provision in different parts of the world, and she suggests how her research can inform policymaking on sustainable economic development.\n\nReferences and recommendations:\n\n\u201cGood Economics for Hard Times\u201d by Abhijit V. Banerjee and Esther Duflo; https://www.goodeconomicsforhardtimes.com/\n\n\u201cMinistry for the Future\u201d by Kim Stanley Robinson; https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/kim-stanley-robinson/the-ministry-for-the-future/9780316300162/