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In this week\u2019s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with Glenn Hubbard, dean emeritus and Russell L. Carson Professor of Finance and Economics at Columbia University\u2019s business school, and a member of the board of directors at Resources for the Future. Hubbard shares insights from his new book, \u201cThe Wall and the Bridge: Fear and Opportunity in Disruption\u2019s Wake,\u201d which is about the role of economics in shaping policy, effecting structural change, and preparing communities for the forthcoming transition to a low-carbon economy. Raimi and Hubbard discuss lessons from economic transitions of the past, related policies, the importance of \u201csocial insurance\u201d in the labor market, and the need to build bridges of opportunity rather than walls of protection\u2014all with an eye toward ensuring a just transition.\n\nReferences and recommendations:\n\n\u201cThe Wall and the Bridge: Fear and Opportunity in Disruption\u2019s Wake\u201d by Glenn Hubbard; https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300259087/wall-and-bridge\n\n\u201cStorm\u201d by George R. Stewart; https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/665307/storm-by-george-r-stewart-introduction-by-nathaniel-rich/