Things kick off with a dive on the hacker mindset, black swans, corner cases, and the exception that proves the rule. Whatever that means.\n\nThis leads to a side trip into security, troubleshooting, and the difference between non-linear thinking and untethered madness. \n\nFinally, in a conversation both sprawling and comically on-brand, your hosts explore the concept of *properness*. \n\nWhat does it mean to do something properly, when should it matter, and what are the risks and benefits of demanding that certain things always be done a certain way?\n\n(_Recorded on Tuesday, May 17, 2022_)