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Transcribed highlights of the show can be found in our episode summaries.\nAt the beginning of this month, Hillsong NYC pastor Carl Lentz was fired. A day after the news went public, he posted a picture of his family on Instagram admitting he was unfaithful in his marriage. Both before and after the news, Lentz made headlines across Christian and secular media for his popularity and successful ministry\u2014as well as the \u201chipster\u201d pastor look he popularized.\nWhen Lentz co-founded Hillsong NYC with Joel Houston in 2010, the church drew lines around the block and caught the eye of A-list celebrities, none more famous than Justin Bieber. Lentz, who became famous for his wire-rimmed glasses, plunging V-necks, and designer sneakers, himself became subject of a number of profiles, including this 2015 GQ feature from Taffy Brodesser-Akner:\n\u201cThe music! The lights! The crowds!\u201d begins an incredulous woman narrating a CNN segment on Hillsong NYC . \u201cIt looks like a rock concert.\u201d The chyron reads \u201cHipster preacher smashes stereotypes.\u201d\nThey call Pastor Carl a hipster. Carl says he doesn\u2019t know what that means, and he wears a motorcycle jacket when he says this.Pastor Joel is unwilling to acknowledge that there\u2019s something going on here. Yes, he tells me, sure, he likes clothes. But that\u2019s the end of it. I should ask Pastor Carl about the clothes, he tells me. What Pastor Carl does, he says\u2014that\u2019s intentional, and then he laughs.\nThis week on Quick to Listen, we wanted to discuss the attention around a new generation of fashion-forward pastors. What does it reveal about ministry? But what does our fascination with this aesthetic reveal more broadly about the American and Western church?\nAnthropologist Katherine Ajibade, formerly a researcher with the British think tank Theos, joins CT\u2019s Morgan Lee and Kate Shellnutt.\nWhat is Quick to Listen?\xa0Read more\nRate Quick to Listen on\xa0Apple Podcasts\nFollow the podcast on\xa0Twitter\nFollow our hosts on Twitter:\xa0Morgan Lee\xa0and Kate Shellnutt\nFollow Katherine Ajibade on Twitter\nMusic by\xa0Sweeps\nQuick to Listen is produced by\xa0Morgan Lee\xa0and\xa0Matt Linder\nThe transcript is edited by\xa0Bunmi Ishola\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices