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In 1994, Barry Jones was arrested for the rape and murder of his girlfriend\'s four-year-old daughter. Even though his innocence is obvious to all who would look, he sits on Arizona\'s death row, waiting to be executed for a crime he did not commit.

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Sylvia Lett and Andrew Sowards are the former federal public defender and Investigator who worked on the case and join us for this special two-hour episode to give all the details.

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They walk us through this horribly unjust trial and explain how the criminal justice system set Barry up for failure from the start.\\xa0

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From junk science to bad witnesses, nothing about this trial was fair. To make it worse, the Supreme Court has reaffirmed that actual proof of innocence is not enough to overturn an execution.

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Syliva and Andrew\\u2019s account of this story will change the entire way you view the criminal justice system.

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Key Topics and Takeaways:

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• Sylvia and Andrew\\u2019s background and how they got Barry\\u2019s case. [10:13]
• The police perspective. [21:37]
• The lack of story in this case. [29:08]
• The evidence provided. [30:29]
• Junk science within the trial. [40:50]
• Barry\\u2019s timeline on the day of the crime. [57:29]
• How to bring an innocence claim into federal court. [1:14:31]
• Dr. Howard\\u2019s testimony. [1:24:43]
• What finality is and why it\\u2019s there. [1:42:45]
• The conviction integrity unit. [1:49:27]

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Guests:

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Sylvia Lett, Professor of Law at the University of Arizona and Former Federal Public Defender\\xa0

Andrew Sowards, Former Federal Public Defender Investigator

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Resources:

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The Intercept Story of Barry Jones\\xa0

Shinn vs Ramirez\\xa0

Ryan vs Martinez\\xa0

Herrera vs Collins\\xa0

Ring vs Arizona\\xa0

Arizona Capital Representation Project\\xa0

Arizona Innocence Project\\xa0

After Speaking with Barry, Sylvia informed me that he welcomed letters from those with \\u201cauthentic interest in the injustices in his case\\u201d. He would welcome correspondence to speak about his case. While he says he has no time for sympathy, I can only imagine showing him that there are people who care, who see the injustice done to him, and who are fighting to lift up his story will help him maintain his fighting spirit. Please do not write to him simply for the novelty of writing to someone on death row and please mark all mail with "NON-LEGAL MAIL" His address is: Barry Lee Jones, ADOC #114690 ASPC Florence Browning Unit P.O. Box 8200 Florence, AZ 85132

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Memorable Quotes:

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\\u201cA just system is not just one that protects the innocent. It also protects everybody involved in it because that is a merciful system.\\u201d (8:10, Hunter)

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\\u201cBarry\'s case is kind of the poster case of failures all around, in many ways.\\u201d (31:54, Sylvia)

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\\u201cSo often we think justice is solving the crime, but justice also involves making sure that we are doing right by the accused.\\u201d (47:47, Hunter)

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\\u201cIf you don\'t know the person, if you don\'t live with them, don\'t be judging their emotion, their emotional response, because every single person is different.\\u201d (51:36, Andrew)

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\\u201cIf you are concerned or worried about state power and the threat of the state, I promise you that it is the work of federal public defenders, federal investigators, and public defenders around the country who will do more to protect you from the power of the state than a gun ever will.\\u201d (1:48:49, Hunter)

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Contact Hunter Parnell:

hwparnell@publicdefenseless.com

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