04: Why is Public Defense Failing Nationwide? with David Carroll

Published: Jan. 12, 2022, 9 a.m.

04: Public Defense w/ David Carroll

This week, Executive Director of the Sixth Amendment Center, David Carroll walks us through how he got into public defense, the issues with public defense, and solutions that we can implement now.

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You\u2019ll learn the some the areas states continue to fail sixth amendment obligationa, the "the dirty little secret" of the American courtroom, and how the justice system can shift to support the public in this space.

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Through David\u2019s expert experience and unique perspective, you\u2019ll get an inside view of the public defense system and the value of the sixth amendment being executed accurately.

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Key Topics and Takeaways:

  • Misdemeanor representation issues
  • The impacts of excessive entanglement between judges and defenders
  • Police officer\u2019s role in court and being held accountable on trial
  • The way to successfully campaign on public defense reform in a blue state or a red state
  • The diversity of public defense between states.
  • How failing to find Indigent Defense also harms our next generation

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Guests:

David Carroll, Executive Director of the Sixth Amendment Center

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Resources:

Sixth Amendment Center https://sixthamendment.org/\xa0

American Bar Association 10 Principles of Public Defense\xa0

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Memorable Quotes:

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\u201cAmerica's little secret is that thousands of people are processed into jail every day, without ever speaking to an attorney, this is almost exclusively, but not entirely in misdemeanor courts.\u201d (8:42, David)

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\u201cAt the core of our justice system is the idea that the state has a burden, which that word should mean something, a burden to prove your guilt with evidence.\u201d (11:20, Hunter)

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\u201cThere should be a lawyer with the client. There should be a lawyer in the courtroom\u2026 it clearly shows to me that these aren't defendants who simply don't want to show up in court.\u201d (17:46, David)

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\u201cCriminal justice is probably the largest expenditure of government's money at the state and local level. And we're not getting the aims we want with no one's feeling any safer. In fact, you're probably ruining people's lives and not making them productive citizens\u201d (25:25, David)

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\u201cPeople are trying to do good by their communities. 95% of the people I've met even if they're doing some really, really problematic things, got into government or criminal justice because they did want to serve their communities.\u201d (42:16, David)

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\u201cPeople hear fines and fees and they go, well, it's better than jail.\u201d (58:20, Hunter)

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