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We welcome Lisa Taddeo, author of the #1 New York Times bestseller and international phenomenon Three Women, to discuss her new novel. Animal is a depiction of female rage at its rawest, and a visceral exploration of the fallout from a male-dominated society.\n** We start by talking to Lisa about how she is feeling given the magnitude of her fiction debut, following the phenomenon that was Three Women.\xa0 (01:20)\n** Joan, the depraved protagonist of Animal, will be deemed unlikable by some. We loved Lisa\u2019s answer about this label and how her goal was to write a story where Joan could be completely honest and say everything she wanted. (03:04)\n** In both Three Women and Animal Lisa explores the loneliness of the mistress and her thoughts on loneliness being the most vulnerable thing any of us can experience blew us away. (06:12)\n** Animal pushes the envelope in terms of depicting the cycle of trauma. Listen to Lisa discuss how trauma marks us and becomes a magnet for other traumas. (10:17) \n** Animal explores motherhood and the parent-child relationship and how that affects the rest of our lives. Things get deep when we talk \u201cmommy issues\u201d and how Lisa\u2019s raw writing from her wounds opened up our own as readers. (14:00)\n**\xa0 We talk about grief, and the anger that flows from it. Does society let women express their rage in the way men are permitted to? Definitely not. (19:48).\n** Lisa and Carinn bond over how American mothers\u2019 martyrdom syndrome stems from masked fear and anxiety. Kate has a true lightbulb moment listening to them and finally understands their point of view! (24:20)\n** Carinn asks her burning question about Big Sky and whether there is any hope for Joan and him to live out their \u201cwarped fairy tale\u201d someday.\xa0 (29:37)\n** Joan and Alice really \u201csee\u201d each other and Lisa shares how much she values the platonic relationships she has with other women in her own life.\xa0 (32:02)\n** We talk astrology with Lisa, a true Capricorn, and she boldly declares that the world is divided between those who believe in astrology and those who don\u2019t. You know which side we\u2019re all on! (35:00).\n** We share our casting dreams for Joan and get the update on her upcoming Showtime adaptation of Three Women. (39:30)\n** Lisa has plans to deliver a reported memoir on grief but the possibility of another novel has us freaking out with excitement. (43:00)\n** Lisa shares the books she\u2019s loving right now. (44:47)\nFollow us on Instagram and Facebook @popfictionwomen and on Twitter @pop_women. To do a full deep dive, check out our website at www.popfictionwomen.com. Stay Complicated!\nWe\u2019ve launched a platform at patreon.com/popfictionwomen to keep making the podcast you love -- and to make it even better. \nJoin Patreon to hear a bonus extended version of our interview with Lisa where we discuss who Joan is writing to throughout the novel -- and we get into that ending. \nSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices