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Do ideas or interests drive our politics?
b'In this week\\u2019s episode, Senator Mike Lee, R-Utah, joins Julia, Lee, and James to discuss the role that ideas and interests play in our politics. Do ideas have consequences? Or do our interests determine our ideas? Should our politics be more principled? Or do we need more parochial horse-trading to get things done? These are some of the questions they ask in this week\\u2019s episode.'