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Tom Buckley on what to do with broadcast "stuff" that you find but can't identify, or don't know what to do with ~\n\n"You would contact me, my email is eyeondc@gmail.com. Most of the material we get are from talents, sons and daughters, people around in the business. They have stuff maybe in the closet. 'I don't know what this is.' . . . A lot of that. There's people, there's stuff all around."\n\nTom Buckley - EyeOnDC and Broadcast History Buff in studio with host Andy Ockershausen\n\nAndy Ockershausen:\tThis is Andy Ockershausen. This is Our Town. I have an opportunity to talk to a man that knows more about radio and TV than I do, which is spectacular because I've been around a lot longer.\nTom Buckley:\tThat's a stretch.\nAndy Ockershausen:\tHe and I both share that ability to remember things. Tom Buckley, welcome to Our Town. I'm so pleased that you and I can chat about what has been our lives, this Washington Broadcast.\nTom Buckley:\tThanks. Happy to be here Andy. I know when Andy called, I was thrilled to be on the show, because when Andy calls, you can't say no. You have to be here and hopefully share some knowledge and get some other sources. People that hear this, because we're always looking for new material, and that's the thing. It's the hunt to find this stuff.\nAndy Ockershausen:\tAlways.\nVideo Tape in Broadcasting | Allen B. DuMont (WABD) and Thomas T. Goldsmith (WTTG)\nTom Buckley:\tJulian Barber. You remember Julian Barber?\nAndy Ockershausen:\tOh yes.\nTom Buckley:\tJulian Barber who was the lead anchorman at Channel 9 in the 60s. His son called me out of the blue. He had all kinds of two-inch video tapes that he made. At his own expense, had them digitized. They were just terrific.\nAndy Ockershausen:\tJulian Barber was a great anchor, great anchor on Channel 9.\nTom Buckley:\tWe've got a show called City Side, which was a public affairs show and a half hour show with Wright Patman, a congressman from Texas. There's two Channel 4 seven o'clock newses from 1971, which were really a hoot.\nAndy Ockershausen:\tWhere do you have them, on video tape?\nTom Buckley:\tNo. Video tape now, we just have them on MP4s.\nAndy Ockershausen:\tI got it. I don't know what that is, but ...\nTom Buckley:\tTwo-inch video tape, because we're racing the clock. There's very few places that you could actually get transferred anymore. It costs several hundred bucks an hour to get that done.\nAndy Ockershausen:\tThat video tape was bought by Chuck Percy. Chuck Percy worked with a big video company. Did you know that, in California? Then he became a US Congressman. His daughter married money. Married a Rockefeller. We get video tape very late at Channel 7 because the boss that we had at the time said, "We're not going to buy it yet until we find out if this thing as perfected is going to work." It's a true story. They eventually did it, but he was convinced. He was right. There's going to be something better than video tape, but it took forever to get it. That's what Ken is doing now. There's no tape here as you can see.\nTom Buckley:\tRight, it just goes on servers. There's no tape. The first tape machine, as far as we know in Washington, was Channel 5.\nAndy Ockershausen:\tOh yeah . . . Then it was an engineering guy, right? They were WTTG men, Tom somebody.\nTom Buckley:\tThomas T. Goldsmith who was the R & D\nAndy Ockershausen:\tThe engineer, right?\nTom Buckley:\tOur engineer ...\nAndy Ockershausen:\tA technician.\nTom Buckley:\t... in charge of research and development for DuMont, for when DuMont started, it was WABD in New York, which was Allen B. DuMont and WTTG in Washington, which was Thomas T. Goldsmith. They named it after him, the R&D guy. He was very . . .\nAndy Ockershausen:\t. . . engineering oriented organization, correct?\nTom Buckley:\tRight. I've got a picture of that thing being loaded off the truck and it's Milt Grant, Ms. Connie, I think Captain Tugg and everybody is, "Hey, we got a video tape machine.