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Arch Campbell on Channel 4 ratings back in the day ~\n\n"We couldn't get arrested. In fact, we used to ... You know, Patty Hearst was kidnapped and started robbing banks back then. We used to say that, 'When Patty Hearst was on the lam from the FBI, she anchored the 5:00 news on Channel 4, because that way she knew that nobody would see her.'"\n\nArch Campbell (right) with Andy Ockershausen (left) in studio Our Town interview\n\nA Ockershausen\tThis is Andy Ockershausen. This is Our Town. \nArch Campbell:\tOh, ho, ho. \nA Ockershausen\tWe have a special guest ...\nArch Campbell:\tWhose town is this? \nA Ockershausen\tWho has one of the best jobs in show business. He gets to go to the movies, he goes to the theater, he goes to concerts. He sees great entertainment. He never pays. He's been doing it close for 40 years. If every channel and every radio station had an opportunity to have Arch McDonald, as a friend of mine. Welcome to Arch Campbell on Our Town with Andy Ockershausen. \nArch Campbell:\tDoes anybody come on this show who's actually employed anymore? What is this? This is the parade ... You ought to call this the "When I" show. When I worked here, when I worked there, when I was working, when I. I'm pretty much retired, but I've been in broadcasting more than 50 years. I spent 40 years on television in Washington D.C.\nA Ockershausen\tThat's incredible, Arch. Nobody else can match that. \nArch Campbell:\tHow do you think I feel? \nA Ockershausen\tYou were wired from time to time.\nWill the real Arch McDonald please stand up? \nArch Campbell:\tI thought I'd last about three years. You said Arch McDonald. \nA Ockershausen\tI know, but you know what? I used to do that when you were a talent. \nArch Campbell:\tI loved it, when I had talent. If there's anyone listening to this podcast, under the age of 90, maybe we should explain that Arch McDonald was a beloved baseball announcer. He called all the baseball games for the Washington Senators. He was a great a sportscaster. I came to town, and he died in the late sixties, like 1968. You know later, I made friends with a lot of people, and one of my friends is Jim Silman. \nA Ockershausen\tOh my, Jimmie.\nArch Campbell:\tArch McDonald died on the train coming back from a baseball game in Philadelphia. My friend Jim was with him. They were playing bridge on the club car of the metro. \nA Ockershausen\tOh my God. I didn't know that story. \nArch Campbell:\tWhen I got to town in '74, Arch McDonald had died, but he was still well remembered. The guy who hired me, who was the boss at Channel 4, was named Bruce McDonald. My name is Arch Campbell, and of course the Campbells and the McDonalds had this great feud in Scotland, way back when. \nA Ockershausen\tIt all came into play. \nArch Campbell:\tArch McDonald had a son, Arch McDonald Junior. \nA Ockershausen\tArchie, the salesman. \nArch Campbell:\tHe ran a station up in Frederick or some place. \nA Ockershausen\tHagerstown. \nArch Campbell:\tI would get mail for Arch McDonald. Then I met you. I used to come over here when Chris Core was on WMAL, and hang around Chris. We were never sober, neither one of us, but we had a lot of fun. I'd run into you, and you would say Arch McDonald to me. At first, I thought, "He's having a memory skip."\nA Ockershausen\t"He's dumb."\nArch Campbell:\t"He doesn't really ..." It took be about 15 years to figure out, "Oh no. He's screwing with me. He's screwing with me. He thinks nobody knows who I am. He wants me to think that." I loved you from the word go, but when I figured that out, I knew ...\nA Ockershausen\tWell, Sheila did too, so that made it okay. His wife was Sheila. \nArch Campbell:\tMy first wife.\nA Ockershausen\tA very successful ad executive, very successful. \nArch Campbell:\tYou know, she's still in town, and now she leads groups on trips to Paris. \nA Ockershausen\tThat's what I understand. She's a traveller. \nArch Campbell:\tShe speaks French. \nA Ockershausen\tMarvelous, marvelous.