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b'Graham Nystrom - A creator of brands.\\n\\nI talked with Graham a long time friend for our first podcast. He was one of the people who first hired me while living in California working with Us Versus Them. We talk about working in the creative world, breaking the routine, the desert, our views on being outdoors in a digital age and how things may be affected with this new view on travel. \\n\\n--- \\n\\nSend in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ourlanders/message\\nSupport this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ourlanders/support'