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Tom welcomes back on Barney Dicker who produced a wonderful YouTube video with his son https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y2fV0uE4wk Tom misspoke when describing the current Kev Adams offerings. The best place for new Kev Adams is http://knightmareminiatures.com/ with shields of interest from Black Tree Design https://eoeorbis.com (you have to ask for them especially) Knightmare also has a selection of green skin shields http://knightmareminiatures.com/product/set-de-escudos Tom offers some ideas on finding good sets of miniatures in the wild. Barney talks about the spectrum between war-games and roleplaying games meeting in skirmish games. This requires some discussion about Tom's experiences moving from 5th Edition to Just Plain Chaos in the work game. Barney also wants to know more about the Chechen rules in the work setting.