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Money on the Left is proud to present recovered and remastered audio from our interview with Ra\xfal Carrillo, published previously solely as a written transcript. The recording also includes a new\xa0 audio introduction in which Billy Saas reflects on the significance of our dialog with Carrillo for contemporary politics.\xa0

In our discussion, we explore the promise of the public money framework for advancing antiracist, anti-imperialist, and democratic politics across the world. We discuss how the public money or MMT perspective shapes his work as an attorney fighting against predatory finance and for an international, rights-based approach to full employment. A significant portion of the conversation is also devoted to Ra\xfal\u2019s ongoing critique of the \u201ctaxpayer money\u201d trope in U.S. political culture. In both his recent article for the UCLA Criminal Law Review and a 2017 piece (coauthored with Jesse Myerson) for Splinter, Ra\xfal persuasively shows that the myth of \u201ctaxpayer money\u201d is not only incorrect in operational terms, but also a significant threat to marginalized communities and a major rhetorical obstacle for progressive politics.\xa0

Ra\xfal Carrillo is an attorney, chair of the board of the Modern Money Network, Research Fellow with the Global Institute for Sustainable Prosperity, and member of the advisory board at Our Money.

You can read his article for the UCLA Criminal Law Review here: https://escholarship.org/uc/item/7rp8g89c.

See his article on \u201cThe Dangerous Myth of Taxpayer Money\u201d here: https://splinternews.com/the-dangerous-myth-of-taxpayer-money-1819658902.\xa0

Theme music by Hillbilly Motobike.


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