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\u201cMaking improvements is challenging. But we can't give up and we've got to learn how to do it better.\u201d \u201cSpeak, engage, help, be helped. Be part of society. Be an optimist towards the fact that people can change, that\xa0people can learn.\u201d\nJohn Pepper, P&G\u2019s former CEO, and Ursula Burns, Xerox\u2019s former CEO, sit down for a candid conversation on race, understanding and our discourse with each other. This is a conversation the two longtime friends have been having for years - alongside many of us. This is NOT a Modern Minorities conversation. Did you know Raman actually hosts a THIRD podcast (not about comics)? On \u201cLearnings from Learnings from Leaders: the P&G Alumni Podcast\u201d - Raman and his P&G Alumni pals sit down with top leaders in business about not just their professional experiences, but their purpose, values, and principles.\xa0\nOne such conversation was with John Pepper & Ursula Burns on race and understanding. John Pepper is one of the most celebrated P&G Alums - the company\u2019s former CEO & Chairman from the turn of the century (and later Chairman of the Walt Disney Company), and Ursula Burns, Xerox\u2019s former CEO. John is known as one of the great people focused leaders, a great philanthropist in his own right, and someone Raman has come to call a friend (an unexpected perk of their many podcast chats). A close friend of John\u2019s is Ursula Burns, the former CEO of Xerox - and one of the first Black Female CEOs. What results is a powerful conversation from early 2022 that covers a topic we float around the edges of on Modern Minorities from a more personal level. But having the discussion at such a macro level by two of business' great leaders was full of lots of great...learnings.\nLEARN MORE\n\nJohn Pepper: https://pepperspectives.blogspot.com/\n\n\nUrsula Burns: https://hbr.org/2021/07/im-here-because-im-as-good-as-you\n\n\npgalums.com/podcast\n\n\nhttps://apple.co/2L85TsT\xa0// https://spoti.fi/2zkhrXg\n\n\n\nThis episode is sponsored by the Department of Health & Human Services, who\u2019s encouraging you and your community to make sure you\u2019ve got the latest COVID-19 Vaccines. We can do this, together. Find the latest vaccines near you @ VACCINES.gov\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices