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A discussion on \u201cHow Long Should Tech Last\u201d starts with the realization that the hardware and software you buy today is, sooner or later, going to be obsolete. That may seem obvious when it comes to computers, less so when talking about smart speakers, home automation hardware, and other electronics. The panel of\xa0Charles Edge,\xa0Ken Ray,\xa0Brett Terpstra, and host\xa0Chuck Joiner dig in from both the hardware and software angles. The expectations of consumers are often different than those of consumers. The first part of the conversation talks about those issues, the \u201cinvisible contract\u201d that we all sign regarding upgrades, and some personal experiences with now out-of-date hardware.

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Charles Edge\xa0has written 9 books and over 3,000 blog posts on technology, with a focus on large-scale systems and server management, including Take Control of OS X Server. He is currently a product manager for\xa0JAMF Software. When not playing with computers at work, he can be found at home tinkering with computers for fun. His personal blog is krypted.com, his podcasts are JAMF After Dark and The Mac Admins Podcast, and you can\xa0follow him on Twitter.

Since May of 2005,\xa0Ken Ray\xa0has eaten, slept, and breathed Apple news and news related to Apple news in order to produce a daily Apple news show. and he does just that with\xa0Mac OS Ken, with content that \xa0includes most stories directly related to Apple, many stories indirectly related to Apple that stand a chance of affecting Apple's business or its users, and tangentially related stories that are funny. A slightly skewed, sometimes cynical, obsessive look at Apple news, five-days-a-week. Ken also produces\xa0The Checklist by SecureMac, a security-oriented podcast, and his newest show is In A Few Minutes.\xa0There are\xa0various ways\xa0you can contact him.

Brett Terpstra\xa0is a coder, writer and web developer. He works behind the scenes at blogs including Engadget, Joystiq and The Unofficial Apple Weblog. He also writes for The Unofficial Apple Weblog, and contributes to Macworld.\xa0Brett develops\xa0Marked\xa0for Mac and recently co-authored\xa0\u201c60 Mountain Lion Tips\u201d\xa0with David Sparks for the iBookstore. He discusses all things \u201cnerd\u201d on his podcasts,\xa0Systematic\xa0and\xa0Overtired.You can find Brett as \u201cttscoff\u201d on\xa0Twitter, and at his website,\xa0brettterpstra.com.