David and Katie chat with Dr. Ross Lockwood about the workflows he used while spending four months as part of a NASA-funded simulation studying what it would be like for humans to live on Mars.\n\nWe're also announcing the end of our run on 5by5 and the show's future.\n\nThanks to MPU listener [Jigar Talati](https://twitter.com/thescarbro) for help with the shownotes this week!