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When Marybeth Tinning\u2019s infant daughter Jennifer died, friends, neighbors and medical personnel felt sorry for the grieving mother. A few weeks later, Marybeth\u2019s young son died, too. People couldn\u2019t believe it. How many losses could one person withstand? Then another child died. And another. And another. In total, nine of Marybeth\u2019s children died over the course of 14 years. In that time, people\u2019s reactions evolved from sympathetic to suspicious.

Then Kristin tells us the story of Gilberto Valle, a.k.a., the cannibal cop. Kathleen Valle knew her marriage wasn\u2019t going great. But when Kathleen figured out exactly what her husband Gilberto was doing online, her blood ran cold. Her NYPD policeman husband had been chatting online about torturing, raping, killing and eating her. But the horror didn\u2019t end there. He talked about carrying out these plans on many women. Authorities took action, but Gilberto\u2019s defense was strong. He hadn\u2019t actually carried out any of these plans. He claimed he was just fantasizing \u2014 with no intention of ever harming anyone. This case had people everywhere trying to draw the line between fantasies and criminal intent.

And now for a note about our process. For each episode, Kristin reads a bunch of articles, then spits them back out in her very limited vocabulary. Brandi copies and pastes from the best sources on the web. And sometimes Wikipedia. (No shade, Wikipedia. We love you.) We owe a huge debt of gratitude to the real experts who covered these cases.

In this episode, Kristin pulled from:
\n\u201cA Dangerous Mind\u201d by: Robert Kolker for New York Magazine
\n\u201cGilberto Valle, ex-New York police officer, talks about his cannibalism fantasies in film,\u201d New York Times
\nHBO Documentary, \u201cThought Crimes: The case of the cannibal cop\u201d
\n\u201cEx-officer\u2019s conviction in cannibal case shouldn\u2019t be reinstated, appeals court rules,\u201d New York Times
\n\u201cCannibal Cop\u2019s wife takes the stand as horrific details of former NYPD officer\u2019s twisted bondage fetish emerge in first day of trial,\u201d New York Daily News

In this episode, Brandi pulled from:
\n\u201c14 years and nine tiny corpses later, authorities finally took action on murderous mother\u201d by Mara Bovsun, New York Daily News
\n\u201cBaby Killer\u201d by Mark Gado, crimelibrary.com
\n\u201cBaby killer Marybeth Tinning leaves prison\u201d Albany Times Union