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Matt Mochary, CEO of Mochary Method, is a full-time executive coach who has worked with some of the biggest names in tech and finance, including investor Naval Ravikant and the CEOs of Notion, OpenAI, Coinbase, Reddit, and many others. In today\u2019s podcast, we talk about the skill of firing people, why it\u2019s so important, and Matt\u2019s framework for approaching layoffs. We go deep on recognizing emotions like anger and fear, and what to pay attention to when you feel angry or fearful. He also shares how to build new products within a larger company, important tips on how to make sure everyone in the organization feels valued and heard, carving out time for your top goal, and how an energy audit can help you eliminate tasks that are draining your energy.

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Find the full transcript here: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-fire-people-with-grace-work

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Where to find Matt Mochary:

\u2022 Twitter: https://twitter.com/mattmochary

\u2022 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-mochary-34bb4/

\u2022 Website: http://www.mochary.com/

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Where to find Lenny:

\u2022 Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

\u2022 Twitter: https://twitter.com/lennysan

\u2022 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

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Thank you to our wonderful sponsors for making this episode possible:

\u2022 AssemblyAI: https://www.assemblyai.com/?utm_source=lennyspodcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=nov10

\u2022 Lemon.io: https://lemon.io/lenny

\u2022 Vanta: https://vanta.com/lenny

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Referenced:

\u2022 The Great CEO Within: The Tactical Guide to Company Building: https://www.amazon.com/Great-CEO-Within-Tactical-Building-ebook/dp/B07ZLGQZYC

\u2022 Mochary Method: https://mocharymethod.org/

\u2022 Leo Polovets on Twitter: https://twitter.com/lpolovets

\u2022 High Output Management: https://www.amazon.com/High-Output-Management-Andrew-Grove/dp/0679762884

\u2022 The Hard Thing About Hard Things: Building a Business when There Are No Easy Answers: https://www.amazon.com/Hard-Thing-About-Things-Building/dp/0062273205

\u2022 Andrej Karpathy on Lex Fridman\u2019s podcast: https://lexfridman.com/andrej-karpathy/

\u2022 Wei Deng on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dengwei/

\u2022 Free Solo: https://films.nationalgeographic.com/free-solo

\u2022 Ryan Hoover on Twitter: https://twitter.com/rrhoover

\u2022 Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less: https://gregmckeown.com/books/essentialism/

\u2022 Make Time: How to Focus on What Matters Every Day: https://www.amazon.com/Make-Time-Focus-Matters-Every/dp/0525572422

\u2022 Centered app: https://www.centered.app/

\u2022 Diana Chapman at Conscious Leadership Group: https://conscious.is/team/diana-chapman

\u2022 The Mochary Method curriculum doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18FiJbYn53fTtPmphfdCKT2TMWH-8Y2L-MLqDk-MFV4s/edit

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In this episode, we cover:

(04:43) Matt\u2019s background

(07:39) Areas where even very successful founders struggle

(12:24) How to address people to minimize defensiveness

(13:24) The destructive nature of anger and how to feel your feelings so you don\u2019t hurt others

(15:02) Which books led Matt to his coaching journey and software platform

(19:03) When and how to let an employee go

(31:47) How to make people feel heard

(38:05) How Matt\u2019s coaching has evolved to include psychological obstacles to success

(39:41) What is \u201ctop goal,\u201d and how can it help you make massive gains?

(41:25) Why Matt has an accountability partner for his top goal time

(43:44) How to approach mass layoffs humanely

(53:21) Matt\u2019s thoughts on the Twitter layoffs

(54:10) How to innovate within a large company

(1:01:53) How to do an energy audit

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