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Vikrama Dhiman heads all things product at Gojek, including product management, design, program management, and research, across Indonesia, Singapore and India. He has over 16 years of experience building internet products, consults with Fortune 500 companies, and is among the most well-known and respected product leaders in all of Asia. In our conversation, we discuss:

\u2022 The most common traits among successful product managers

\u2022 The 3 W\u2019s framework for PM career growth

\u2022 The Four A\u2019s of leveling up in product management

\u2022 The right way to push back as a PM

\u2022 Common pitfalls that stall PM careers

\u2022 Vikrama\u2019s advice for transitioning into product management

\u2022 Why intent alone is not enough

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Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/a-framework-for-pm-skill-development

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Where to find Vikrama Dhiman:

\u2022 X: https://twitter.com/vikramadhiman

\u2022 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vikrama/

\u2022 Website: https://www.vikramadhiman.com/

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Where to find Lenny:

\u2022 Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

\u2022 X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

\u2022 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

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In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Vikrama\u2019s background

(03:56) Three common traits among great PMs

(07:09) The first W: What you produce

(15:40) The second W: What you bring to the table

(18:58) The third W: What\u2019s your operating model?

(20:36) Three traits that make you a great PM to work with

(21:49) How to improve the quality and quantity of your outputs

(23:26) The art of the pushback

(26:55) Common factors that impede career growth

(33:39) Vikrama\u2019s personal reflections

(39:33) Choosing which skill(s) to focus on developing

(46:28) The ambiguity of the PM role

(51:47) The 8 axis for PM growth

(56:57) Contrarian corner: Why intent alone is not enough

(59:30) Lightning round

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Referenced:

\u2022 Taxi mafias, cash vaults, and 100% MoM growth: The story behind Southeast Asia\u2019s biggest startup | Kevin Aluwi (Gojek): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/taxi-mafias-cash-vaults-and-100-mom

\u2022 How to scrappily hire for, measure, and unlock growth | Crystal Widjaja, Gojek and Kumu: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-hire-for-measure-and-unlock

\u2022 Gojek: https://www.gojek.com/en-id

\u2022 SQL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL

\u2022 Oracle: https://www.oracle.com/

\u2022 Crystal Widjaja on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/crystalwidjaja

\u2022 Raditya Wibowo: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raditya-wibowo-a0845436/?originalSubdomain=id

\u2022 Sidu Ponnappa on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sidup

\u2022 Leveraging mentors to uplevel your career | Jules Walter (YouTube, Slack): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/leveraging-mentors-to-uplevel-your

\u2022 Kevin Aluwi on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaluwi/

\u2022 Workday: https://www.workday.com/

\u2022 Salesforce: https://www.salesforce.com/

\u2022 Small Data: The Tiny Clues That Uncover Huge Trends: https://www.amazon.com/Small-Data-Clues-Uncover-Trends/dp/1250080681

\u2022 Originals: How Non-Conformists Move the World: https://www.amazon.com/Originals-How-Non-Conformists-Move-World/dp/014312885X

\u2022 Thinking, Fast and Slow: https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0374533555

\u2022 Miss Congeniality on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/Miss-Congeniality-Sandra-Bullock/dp/B002R5HQDK

\u2022 Schitt\u2019s Creek on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/Schitts-Creek/dp/B083LDRW9F

\u2022 DramaBox: https://www.dramaboxapp.com/

\u2022 Am I Overthinking This?: Over-Answering Life\u2019s Questions in 101 Charts: https://www.amazon.com/Am-Overthinking-This-Over-answering-questions/dp/1452175861/

\u2022 Crazy Rich Asians on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/Crazy-Rich-Asians-Constance-Wu/dp/B07JGJFXBF

\u2022 9 Best Hawker Centers in Singapore\u2014and What to Eat There: https://www.afar.com/magazine/best-hawker-centers-in-singapore-and-what-to-eat-there

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