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JHK\u2019s conversation with KMO of the C-Realm Podcast. KMO, who goes by that tag for his public persona, is one of the best interviewers in the podcast world. I\u2019ve been listening to him for years, and have been on his podcast more than once, so it\u2019s a treat to have him on mine. KMO is moving beyond the particulars of the collapse of industrial civilization to questions of what\u2019s next under the circumstances.

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The KunstlerCast music is \u201cAdam and Ali\u2019s Waltz\u201d from the recording Waiting to Fly by Mike and Ali Vass.

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