Mike Yeadon is a former chief scientist at Pfizer, and Mattias Desmet is a professor of psychology at Ghent University in Belgium.\nBoth Mattias and Mike have been on my podcast on separate occasions.\nThis time they were together.\nThey discussed\n\nmass formation psychosis;\n\n\nscientists not thinking critically;\n\n\ntotalitarianism and its parallels to Covid hysteria;\n\n\nthe human desire for belief in something; and\n\n\nwhy Mike could have chosen a better American state in which to live.\n\n\xa0\nPlease support my work.