PanelBrian Turley (twitter blog) Joe Eames (twitter github blog) Merrick Christensen (twitter github) AJ O\u2019Neal (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up)
Discussion
\xa002:11 - CSS GripesSassScalable and Modular Architecture for CSS (SMACSS)CSS316:32 - Preprocessors/CompilersLESSSassStylusCompassChris Eppstein20:34 - Basic Features of CSS Preprocessorsnib mix-ins
23:02 - Usefulness27:15 - Mathematics w/ VariablesSusy28:54 - AnimationUsing CSS animations31:12 - Nesting35:40 - Build Processesgrunt.js42:20 - DistinctionPrefixing
47:35 - Tightly Coupled
\xa0PicksOld Man\u2019s War by John Scalzi (Joe) X-Wing Miniatures Game (Joe) Dave Crowe (Merrick) Utah Software Craftsmanship Group (AJ) Effective JavaScript by David Herman (AJ) SD Card (Chuck) New Media Expo (Chuck) Consumer Electronics Show (Chuck) iOS Development Podcast (Chuck) Grid Systems in Graphic Design by Josef Muller-Brockmann (Brian) IFTTT (Brian)
Book ClubEffective JavaScript by David Herman
Transcript
\xa0MERRICK:\xa0 You have more technical problems than any other nerd I know.[Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at bluebox.net.][This episode is sponsored by Component One, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to Wijmo.com and check them out.]CHUCK:\xa0 Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 42 of the JavaScript Jabber show. This week on our panel, we have Joe Eames.MERRICK:\xa0 He\u2019s out to a phone call, terrible timing.CHUCK:\xa0 We also have Merrick Christensen.MERRICK:\xa0 That\u2019s me.CHUCK:\xa0 AJ O\u2019Neal.AJ:\xa0 Yo! Yo! Yo! Coming at you live from the snow sphere of Provo, Utah.CHUCK:\xa0 And we have a guest, that\u2019s Brian Turley.BRIAN:\xa0 That\u2019s right. I\u2019m a designer friend of AJ\u2019s.CHUCK:\xa0 We\u2019re talking about CSS today so we brought in a designer to set us all straight.And I\u2019m Charles Max Wood from devchat.tv. And like I said, we\u2019re talking about CSS today. One of the things I think that\u2019s interesting about CSS is that it converges with JavaScript. Well, there are a couple of things but one is systems like LESS, that kind of compile, they give you some sane options for dealing with some of the dumb stuff that CSS doesn\u2019t include. Then the other one is, I\u2019ve also wound up fighting designers for selectors in the HTML. And so, I thought we could talk through that a little bit as well.BRIAN:\xa0 Hey, Chuck?CHUCK:\xa0 Yes?BRIAN:\xa0 I think those are two like really good points but I think there\u2019s even more areas we can discuss in terms of how JavaScript and CSS are coupled. Like computed styles from JavaScript and also all the CSS methods from JavaScript. And the fact that your JavaScript sometimes doesn\u2019t work, your UI doesn\u2019t work unless the CSS is set up. I think the two tend to be a lot more coupled than people like to think.CHUCK:\xa0 I agree. That\u2019s fair. So, which avenue or which aspect do you want to tackle first? Should we talk about just CSS and where it kind of doesn\u2019t give us what we want?BRIAN:\xa0 I would love to complain about CSS. I got some bitterness in that sphere.CHUCK:\xa0 I know some people consider it programming but it doesn\u2019t have any of the things that classic programming has like variables and functions or methods or anything like that. And I think that\u2019s where a lot of us get frustrated is that we\u2019re used to being able to reuse things, we\u2019re used to being able to set things up that will define the behavior that we want. And in CSS, you really don\u2019t have that. It\u2019s really just simple markup.JOE:\xa0 So, do we consider the CSS languages, like Sass and LESS and all those to be part of CSS because then we talk about actually having those things.CHUCK:\xa0 Yes. I don\u2019t know if you can call them CSS.Special Guest: Brian Turley.
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