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\u201cSometimes failures or challenges force us to think out of the box and they can be blessings.\u201d \u2014 John Ondrasik

Millions of people gained solace and inspiration from the song\xa0Superman (It\u2019s Not Easy),\xa0a worldwide smash hit that served as an unofficial anthem of healing following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. In this episode, Brian interviews the voice behind that song and many others, Grammy-nominated singer-songwriter John Ondrasik, better known as Five for Fighting.

From song-writing, to producing, to performing, John has faced plenty of rejection and struggle on his road to success. He tells Brian how, today, he combines his life as a musician with working in his family\u2019s fourth-generation wire manufacturing business and discusses themes of creativity, entrepreneurship, and collaboration.

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Inspirational quotes from today\u2019s interview:

\u201cThis is a golden moment for people who own small businesses.\u201d \u2014 Brian Buffini

\u201cAt the end of the day, it\u2019s still about relationships, whether it\u2019s relationships with a supplier who sells us wire for 25 years, or a radio programmer who plays my songs.\u201d \u2014 John Ondrasik

\u201cMusic sounds very romantic, but behind the curtain it\u2019s really about an exercise in failure and writing hundreds of songs to get the ten you hear, and writing thousands of songs to get the maybe two that the world knows.\u201d \u2014 John Ondrasik

\u201cI was very fortunate. I had success at a late age.\u201d \u2014 John Ondrasik

\u201cFor me, it was a 15 year overnight success story\u2026I appreciated the 15 years of getting the door slammed in my face. Unless you have that, you can sometimes think it\u2019s all about you.\u201d \u2014 John Ondrasik

\u201cFocus on relationships\u2026persevere, and then have your core values.\u201d \u2014 Brian Buffini

\u201cI\u2019m convinced that about half of what separates the successful entrepreneurs from the non-successful ones is pure perseverance.\u201d \u2014 Steve Jobs

\u201cYou have to be practical\u2026but you also need to take strategic risk, and you need to be honest with yourself.\u201d \u2014 John Ondrasik

\u201cYou\u2019re going to be faced with challenges in your career, and you can either accept that this sucks or you can say \u2018How can I turn this into a silver lining?\u2019\u201d \u2014 John Ondrasik

\u201cSometimes failures or challenges force us to think out of the box and they can be blessings.\u201d \u2014 John Ondrasik

\u201cMusic can matter in ways no other medium can.\u201d \u2014 John Ondrasik

\u201cPart of what makes us successful is pushing the goal posts and strategizing for the future, but if all we do is that, what is the point?\u201d \u2014 John Ondrasik

\u201cIf your whole self esteem gets wrapped up in what you do, at some point it\u2019s going to go backwards.\u201d \u2014 John Ondrasik

\u201cI\u2019ve met people with real challenges and I\u2019ve learned that most of us have no problems. We think we have problems, but we don\u2019t.\u201d \u2014 John Ondrasik

\u201cLife moves so fast. If you don\u2019t spend some time in the middle of it, I think you\u2019ll miss it.\u201d \u2014 John Ondrasik

\u201cI\u2019m grateful for the day.\u201d \u2014 John Ondrasik

\u201cWe only have 100 years to live. Make the most of it. Drink deep. Love well. Invest in relationships.\u201d \u2014 Brian Buffini

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