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Interview conducted by James McQuaid, October 20, 1977.\n\nThis interview was produced as part of an oral history project funded by the National Endowment for the Humanities.\n\nPhoto: Max Yavno (American, 1911\u20131985). "Keyboard," 1947, printed ca. 1981. Courtesy of Department of Photography/George Eastman Museum. Gift of the Vernon Family Trust, Los Angeles, California\n\nThe Silver Voices Project, which allowed for digitization and sharing of this archival audio, was made possible by a grant from the U.S. Institute of Museum and Library Services, grant number MA-30-19-0681-19.\n\nAny views, findings, conclusions, or recommendations expressed in this audio do not necessarily represent those of the Institute of Library Sciences or the National Endowment for the Humanities.\n\nGenerous support for the introductions provided by Art Bridges, and made possible in part by the National Endowment for the Humanities: NEH CARES.