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Today we're going to talk about science and religion. Big, big topics that have influenced our faiths for our whole lives. Studies show that Christians everywhere experience the tension between the two things. But is there really a conflict? Do we have to make a choice? Or can there be a harmony when these two ways of looking at the world align? The Next Book Club - 0:00 * Episode 15, June 2: "Why We Can't Wait" by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. - (buy it here (https://amzn.to/2Pd83NA)) * FTF Book Club page (https://www.followingthefire.com/bookclub) Intro - 0:23 * Nathan’s watch has lost its watchiness * Steve & Nathan both frown on re-used sermon outlines Favorite Science - 4:50 * What is your favorite kind of science? * Nathan: Loves wastewater treatment * Steve: Loves immunology (right now) * What’s with this (apparent) conflict between God & Science? * The conflict is actually tribal/identity based * Aristotle’s modes of persuasion - ethos, logos, pathos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modes_of_persuasion) * Answers in Genesis (https://answersingenesis.org) Different Continuums - 21:45 * Addressing things with from logos doesn’t really work * Pathos is hugely important - it’s about identity * Film: Nacho Libre (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nacho_Libre) * Science has been put on the same spectrum as religion * “Christians should take a stand on six literal days, a young earth, and global flood even if it causes division.” - Ken Ham, Did Eve really have an Extra Rib?: And other tough questions about the Bible (https://amzn.to/2RIsLGb) * “We can't always trust what we see in museums, but we can certainly ALWAYS trust what we read in the Bible.” - Ken Ham, Did Eve really have an Extra Rib?: And other tough questions about the Bible (https://amzn.to/2RIsLGb) * Scripture: “Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.”Hebrews 11:1 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+11%3A1&version=NIV) * “I think the world needs to wake up from its long nightmare of religious belief; and anything that we scientists can do to weaken the hold of religion should be done, and may in fact be our greatest contribution to civilization.” - Steven Weinberg, “Beyond Belief : Science, Religion, Reason and Survival” * Science is consensus-based. It’s not a monolith. Materialism vs. Theism - 36:25 * Misunderstanding of the nature of God and the nature of science * Materialism: Stuff and things are all that exists * Theism: There’s something spiritual out there * Scientism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism) * Theism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theism) * Article: ‘Stephen Hawking: 'Heaven is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark’ (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1387478/Stephen-Hawking-Heaven-fairy-story-people-afraid-dark.html) * Science and religion address two different things * The God of the Gaps (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps) * “The great delusion of modernity, is that the laws of nature explain the universe for us. The laws of nature describe the universe, they describe the regularities. But they explain nothing.” - Ludwig Wittgenstein * Book: God's Undertaker: Has Science Buried God? (https://amzn.to/3bjHLAW) * Article: “How Eric Metaxas went from Trump despiser to true believer” (https://religionnews.com/2020/12/03/metaxas-jesus-trump-stolen-election-christian-nationalism-rod-dreher-sidney-powell/) * Video: John Lennox: The Question of Science and God - Part 1 (https://youtu.be/gDjNv-ea56E) * Video: John Lennox: The Question of Science and God - Part 2 (https://youtu.be/Tr3ghb6JG6A) * Book: “Bonhoeffer: Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy” by Eric Metaxas (https://amzn.to/33B5tVm) * Teleology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleology) * Article: “The Relativity of Wrong” - Isaac Asimov (https://hermiene.net/essays-trans/relativity_of_wrong.html) * Book: “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions” by Thomas Kuhn (https://amzn.to/3tDhPXz) * Short Story: “The Man” in the book “The Illustrated Man” by Ray Bradbury (https://amzn.to/3hkTKCq) * Book: “Perelandra” by C.S. Lewis (https://amzn.to/3f6i5Jk) * Book: “The Postmodern Condition: A Report on Knowledge” by Jean-Francois Lyotard (https://amzn.to/3ofrTF1) * Book: “The Perfect Theory: A Century of Geniuses and the Battle over General Relativity” (https://amzn.to/3uIR0m3) * Georges Lemaître (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lemaître) * BioLogos (https://biologos.org) * Book: “The Language of God” by Francis Collins (https://amzn.to/2ROFOFK) * Romans 1:20 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201%3A20&version=NIV) * Scot McKnight quote from this book: “How I Changed My Mind About Evolution: Evangelicals Reflect on Faith and Science” (https://amzn.to/2Q84AAk) Word & World - 1:03:28 * John 1 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1&version=NIV) * Acts 17:28 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+17%3A28&version=NIV) * God gave us his Word and his World, and they do not disagree * We need Christians to be involved in science * Moses had horns? (https://christandpopculture.com/bizarre-reason-michelangelos-moses-horns/) * Video: “God's Word, God's World” by BioLogos (https://youtu.be/ib9R5YuY3qg)