For several years now, the Justice Department has operated something called the Civil Cyber Fraud Initiative. It uses the long-standing False Claims Act to go after contractors and research grantees who don't have the cybersecurity controls in place they say they do. A recent case against two universities shows how it all works. My next guest represents Penn State and Georgia Tech whistleblowers. Attorney Julie Bracker of the law firm Bracker and Marcus joins me now.\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices