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\u201cJust like cholera exposed the weaknesses in European society, COVID is doing the same for us. ...The bubonic plague and cholera for example were devastating pandemics, but they also lead to the creation of modern public health and sanitation. There\u2019s still a chance for COVID to have its own silver linings, even if we can\u2019t see them right now.\u201d -Dr. Celine Gounder\n\nPandemics have played a huge role in human history. The Black Death had huge implications for economics, politics, medicine, and religion, and it wasn\u2019t the only disease to upend a civilization.\n\nIn today\u2019s episode of \u201cEpidemic,\u201d Dr. Celine Gounder speaks to Dr. Josh Loomis and Dr. Frank Snowden about a few examples of how disease shaped the world we live in today, and what those events might tell us about what to expect after the COVID pandemic ends.\xa0Josh Loomis is a microbiologist and the author of Epidemics: The Impact of Germs and Their Power Over Humanity.\xa0Frank Snowden is a Professor of History and the History of Medicine at Yale University.\n\nThis podcast was created by Just Human Productions. We're powered and distributed by Simplecast. We're supported, in part, by listeners like you.\n\n#SARSCoV2 #COVID19 #COVID #coronavirus