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In this podcast recorded at the Agile 2018 conference Shane Hastie, Lead Editor for Culture & Methods, spoke to Seb Rose, a dispassionate developer, and one of the principals of Cucumber Limited about his work at Cucumber, the Cyber-dojo charity, designing a robust certification program and involving testers in code reviews\n\nWhy listen to this podcast:\n\u2022\tCucumber is more than a testing tool \u2013 it is a collaboration tool \n\u2022\tThere is a lot of confusion around what Behaviour Driven Development (BDD) is and isn\u2019t\n\u2022\tBDD is made up of three distinct practices: Discovery, Formulation and Automation \u2013 Cucumber is only about the Automation practice\n\u2022\tProvide concrete examples to communicate business needs using BDD to ensure that business rules are defined unambiguously\n\u2022\tCyber-dojo is a place for people to practice their coding skills on many platforms \n\u2022\tIdeas around designing a robust certification scheme \nThe value of having testers involved in code reviews goes far beyond reading the code